Covid19 v Joe Public

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Ardern and Trudeau, the woke darlings of the Western world, are finally getting their comeuppance

Facing protests and falling popularity, they are proof that it is wrong to prize empathy in political leaders above everything else
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But the problem is that when you have presented yourself as the most moral person in the land – the most feeling, the most understanding – and portrayed all your critics as Nazis, it is hard to move to ground we might once have called common. So there Justin is, like Ardern, holed up in a problem entirely of his own making.

Empathy is an overrated trick in political leadership. It only gets you so far. Much more important are grit, capability, adaptability and expertise. Neither Ardern nor Trudeau have demonstrated any of these traits. And it is their populations who are suffering as a result. A leader might like to present themselves as limitlessly compassionate, but if you end up having neither compassion nor even understanding for the citizens of your own country, then “compassion” is the problem.
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4wd said:
www.telegraph.co.uk

Ardern and Trudeau, the woke darlings of the Western world, are finally getting their comeuppance

Facing protests and falling popularity, they are proof that it is wrong to prize empathy in political leaders above everything else
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You see now how bat shit crazy Ardern really is, as for the media that we're fornicating over her the last 4-5 years I'd suggest now is the time to admit and acknowledge the fact that you got it wrong and that you started doing your job properly rather that waiting for a hand out from corupt politicians and governments.
 
4wd said:
www.telegraph.co.uk

Ardern and Trudeau, the woke darlings of the Western world, are finally getting their comeuppance

Facing protests and falling popularity, they are proof that it is wrong to prize empathy in political leaders above everything else
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Equally with Trudeau , just how true are the allegations of sex with a student and or under-age female and with Ardern , what is the truth with her and her partners substance abuse (Class A), possession and distribution???
 
Throughout the world, Governments told their populations what to do at the start of the pandemic, and the vast majority of people complied, through fear. This fear was continuously fed through the press.
I think the Governments saw this, and liked it. They gave the police free rein, with many stupid arrests. The police too liked this.
As the fear diminished, so did the compliance. People started to question the covid statistics, the news fear stories, not obey the police demands.
It seems that some Governments cannot give up their power over their populations, and then the "natives are revolting".
I dont think the politics and press going forward will be believed about anything.
 
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There are times when I can see how violence begins....... but perhaps quiet and sneaky resistance could be more effective.
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I'm fairly passive to the point that I've been hit yet not retaliated, while admirable to use the non-violent methids available but the question has to be asked when people or politicians oppress you physically, politically or economically at what point does some form of force is deemed acceptable?
We currently here have a PM who is delusional, corrupt and who fails to engage with people/voters, who makes decisions based on maintaining control at all cost rather than doing the right thing.
 
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Jacob Rees-Mogg dismisses partygate as 'trivial fluff'

The cabinet minister says war in Ukraine has returned a sense of "fundamental seriousness" to politics.
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Cabinet minster Jacob Rees-Mogg has dismissed concerns over parties in Downing Street during lockdown as "fluff" and "fundamentally trivial".
Speaking at the Conservative spring conference, he said war in Ukraine "was a reminder that the world is serious".
The Metropolitan Police are investigating 12 parties that took place in Downing Street and on other government premises.
Boris Johnson has come under severe pressure to resign over them.
But calls from Labour, the Liberal Democrats, the SNP and some Tory MPs for the prime minister to go have subsided since Russia invaded Ukraine last month.
Officers investigating lockdown parties in Downing Street have received more than 80 completed questionnaires from aides, officials and politicians including the prime minister.

But no one is yet known to have been given a fixed-penalty notice for breaking Covid rules.
Asked about the controversy, known as "partygate", he said: "All of that is shown up [by the war] for the disproportionate fluff of politics that it was, rather than something of fundamental seriousness about the safety of the world and the established global order."

The Brexit opportunities and government efficiency minister told a fringe event at the conference in Blackpool: "When we look back in 36 years at partygate, people will think, 'What were they on about? They were passing from Covid and dealing with that to Russia and Ukraine... yet they were distracted by whether or not the prime minister spent five minutes in his own garden, or 25 minutes, whatever it is.'
"You see, one quickly can't remember the precise amounts of time because it's fundamentally trivial."
'Fraternal spirit'
In January, Mr Rees-Mogg questioned, in the House of Commons. whether Covid rules had been "proportionate" or whether the regime had been "too hard on people".
And, in October last year, he said Conservative MPs did not need to wear masks during parliamentary debates because they "have a more convivial, fraternal spirit" than those of other parties, "and therefore are following the guidance of Her Majesty's government".

Senior civil servant Sue Gray will publish her completed report on Downing Street parties after the Met Police finish their investigation.
Her provisional report, released in January, criticised "failures of leadership and judgement" and said some of the events "should not have been allowed to take place".
Mr Johnson has admitted attending drinks in the Downing Street garden on 20 May 2020, while other events under police investigation include a celebration for his birthday in No 10's Cabinet Room on 19 June 2020.
He has apologised for "misjudgements that were made" but said he had "believed implicitly" that the garden drinks were a "work event", adding: "But, with hindsight, I should have sent everybody back inside."
A photograph from 15 May 2020 shows the prime minister and his staff with bottles of wine and a cheeseboard in the Downing Street garden. This event is not under police investigation.
Sue Gray’s record of the gatherings
The government has faced intense pressure over gatherings held in and around Downing Street during Covid lockdowns. Senior civil servant Sue Gray has said that many of them “should not have been allowed to take place or to develop in the way that they did.” Here is what we know about them and the restrictions in place at the time:


15 May 2020
A photo from May 2020 showed the prime minister and his staff with bottles of wine and a cheeseboard in the Downing Street garden. When asked about it, Boris Johnson said “those people were at work talking about work”.
Legal restrictions at the time said you could not leave your house without a reasonable excuse and government guidance was that you could meet one person outside of your household in an outdoor setting while exercising.The rules:
This event is not being investigated by the police.

20 May 2020
About 100 people were invited by email to “socially distanced drinks in the No 10 garden this evening”. Witnesses told the BBC the PM and his wife were among about 30 people who attended. Boris Johnson has declined to say whether he was among those there.
This event is being investigated by the police.

18 June 2020
A gathering took place in the Cabinet Office to mark the departure of a No 10 private secretary.
This event is being investigated by the police.

19 June 2020
On Boris Johnson’s birthday, up to 30 people gathered in the Cabinet Room at No 10 to present the prime minister with a birthday cake and sing Happy Birthday, according to a report by ITV News.
No 10 said staff had “gathered briefly" to "wish the prime minister a happy birthday", adding that he had been there "for less than 10 minutes”.
The rules:
Restrictions at the time banned most indoor gatherings involving more than two people.
This event is being investigated by the police.

13 November 2020
Sources told the BBC that Downing Street staff members attended a gathering with Carrie Johnson in the flat where she and the prime minister live. A spokesman for Mrs Johnson denies the party took place. There was a separate gathering in No 10 Downing Street on the same day to mark the departure of a special adviser.
The rules:
Eight days earlier Boris Johnson had announced a new lockdown in England. Indoor gatherings with other households were banned, unless they were for work purposes.
These events are being investigated by the police.

27 November 2020
A leaving event was held for No 10 aide, Cleo Watson, where people were drinking, and Mr Johnson made a speech, according to sources.
This event is not being investigated by the police.

10 December 2020
The Department for Education has confirmed it had an office gathering to thank staff for their work during the pandemic. It says drinks and snacks were brought by those who attended and no outside guests or support staff were invited.
The rules:
Eight days earlier, London had been placed in restrictions which banned two or more people from different households from meeting indoors, unless “reasonably necessary” for work purposes.
This event is not being investigated by the police.

14 December 2020
The Conservative Party has admitted that an “unauthorised gathering” took place at its HQ in Westminster. It was held by the team of the party's London-mayoral candidate, Shaun Bailey, who has since stepped down as chair of the London Assembly police and crime committee. The Metropolitan Police is to speak to two people who attended the party.
caption The gathering at the Conservative Party headquarters was described as ‘raucous’ Image copyright by Daily Mirror
This event was not included in Sue Gray's report.

15 December 2020
Multiple sources have told the BBC there was a Christmas quiz for No 10 staff last year. A photo - published by the Sunday Mirror - shows Boris Johnson taking part and sitting between two colleagues in No 10. Mr Johnson has denied any wrongdoing.


event is not being investigated by the police.

16 December 2020
The Department for Transport has apologised after confirming reports of a party in its offices, calling it “inappropriate" and an "error of judgment” by staff.
The rules:
London moved into the highest tier of restrictions and Matt Hancock, who was health secretary at the time, said it was important “everyone is cautious” ahead of the festive period.
This event was not included in Sue Gray's report.

17 December 2020
A leaving party was held at the Cabinet Office for the outgoing head of the civil service Covid taskforce - the team responsible for drawing up coronavirus restrictions.
Kate Josephs, now chief executive of Sheffield City Council, apologised for the event, saying she was “truly sorry that I did this and for the anger that people will feel as a result”.
A second gathering was held in the Cabinet Office to hold an online Christmas quiz for the Cabinet Secretary’s private office.
A third gathering was held in No 10 Downing Street to mark the departure of a No 10 official
These events are being investigated by the police.

18 December 2020
Downing Street originally denied a report by the Daily Mirror that a party took place in Downing Street. However, a video obtained by ITV News showed the prime minister's then-press secretary Allegra Stratton, joking about reports of an event, saying: “This fictional party was a business meeting and it was not socially distanced.”
This event is being investigated by the police.

14 January 2021
A gathering was held in No 10 Downing Street to mark the departure of two private secretaries.
This event is being investigated by the police.

16 April 2021
Two parties were held by Downing Street staff at No 10, the night before Prince Philip's funeral.
One of the events was a leaving party for the PM's then director of communications James Slack, who has apologised for the event and acknowledged it “should not have happened at the time that it did”.
Boris Johnson was not at either party.
The rules
The rules had been eased in England on 12 April, but working from home continued to be recommended and socialising indoors with people from other households was not allowed. Meeting others outdoors was limited to groups of six people or two households.
These events are being investigated by the police.
 
My sister in law, hospitalised in 2020 with pneumonia and COPD, caught CV 19 in the care home she was subsequently transferred to for rehab.
Roll forward to last week, and with carers visiting 3x / day, and her son in attendance, on 24hour oxygen, she was failing.

Moved to hospital ten days ago, tested clear until today. She is recovering her breathing ability after hefty antibiotics and diuretics, but now has CV19 - again. :mad:
Infection control in these places? You're 'aving a larf.
 
I am so sorry to read this @Matthew - how sad that we cannot manage it after all this time. I read somewhere that a huge number of people caught covid in hospitals. In Llanelli last week there was no distancing, hardly any masks and the whole place was scruffy. I was expected to walk through two wards to get to the clinic, so walked the long way outside in the rain. No one asked me if I had had covid, had been in contact with covid or had had the vax.
 
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